David said:

<<Spurgeon wrote a sermon called "Free Will: a Slave," in which he showed that Arminians, though speaking grandly of free will, never pray in praise of it or themselves. They pray like a Calvinist, thanking God for salvation and never mentioning how they "improve upon God's grace." I recommend that sermon to you, Marc, even though you doubt that Spurgeon was regenerate.>>

I've read the sermon. And it is typical tolerant "Calvinist" dung. What gospel one believes determines what God is being prayed to. Arminians talk of grace and thank God for salvation in their prayers, etc., etc., but the only way to know if they are regenerate is to know what gospel they believe. Since Arminians believe in universal atonement, then when they pray, no matter what they pray, they are praying to a god who cannot save. They are praying to a god who sent his son to make all men savable, if they would only do their part. Spurgeon, and most lost "Calvinists," believe that someone's prayer outweighs the other false doctrine they believe and confess. Are you saying that everyone who thanks God for salvation in their prayers is saved? Everyone who says he is "saved by grace" is saved? Satan counterfeits "grace." And when an Arminian prays to his god and thanks him for salvation, this prayer is inspired by SATAN, and it is an abomination to God.

You said "even though you doubt that Spurgeon was regenerate." No -- I know that Spurgeon was unregenerate at the time he spoke peace to Arminians. There is no question, no doubt. If I believe God's testimony, then I must believe that Spurgeon was unregenerate. Spurgeon believed that Arminians, even someone as blatant as John Wesley, believed the same gospel he did. (For quotes from Wesley, see http://www.outsidethecamp.org/wesley.htm) Thus, he did not know the true gospel. It's actually quite simple.

Soli Deo Gloria,


<<I have read your home page and see the inconsistencies in the writings of J.Calvin etc., but you believe that Arminians are not believers, because they insist on "free will" and this is then your logical conclusion if I understand you aright. It is not my intention to win an argument, that would not be pleasing to the omniscient God who weights our harts Heb 4:13. Have you ever been in a "Arminian" prayer meeting, where those people forgot all about free will and prayed like a biblical Christian, that God would intervene, change and convert their unconverted relatives or friends? where is free will then? Have you ever been angry with God, and therefore filled with terror..., was that "consistent" with watt you you believe? Have you ever read "More than a Calvinist" by John Newton? Please read this tract and tell me if he does not hit the nail on the head because he makes the distinction between acquired knowledge and experiential knowledge. Yours truly in Christ Joe.>>

Dear Joe,

Thanks for visiting our web site. However, from your response below, it seems you have not read much, if any, of it. We do not concentrate on the "free will" heresy; we concentrate on the heresy that cuts at the very heart of the gospel and treats the blood of Christ as nothing, which is the universal atonement heresy. True Christians believe the gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. True Christians believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation. Universal atonement heretics DO NOT believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation; instead, they believe that it is the effort of the SINNER that makes the difference between salvation and damnation. Those who believe in universal atonement believe in a false gospel of salvation conditioned on the sinner.

Your argument about how an Arminian prays is an old and tired argument that comes from those who are committing spiritual adultery with the haters of God. Even Muslims believe in a sovereign god and pray that their god will do this and their god will do that. Will you then fellowship with Muslims? SO WHAT if Arminians pray that their god would intervene and change and convert their unconverted relatives or friends. They pray to a god who CANNOT save without the help of the sinner. Arminians also say "all glory to god" and they thank their god for saving them by grace alone. SO WHAT.

Yes, I have read "More than a Calvinist." My comments: (1) I am not a Calvinist at all, so is this "more" or "less" than a Calvinist? (2) I agree that it is not enough to give lip-service to the "Five Points of Calvinism." In fact, I would go much further than Newton and say that MOST people who call themselves Calvinists are UNREGENERATE. The main evidence of this is that, although they can spout off the so-called "5 Points," they have no idea what the gospel is, as evidenced by (1) their belief that they remained Arminians for a time after they were saved, and (2) their speaking peace to those who believe in universal atonement.

Those who truly believe the gospel realize that they were unregenerate when they believed salvation conditioned on the sinner and would never judge someone who believes in salvation conditioned on the sinner to be his brother in Christ.

I encourage you to read the manuscripts of sermons on the gospel at www.outsidethecamp.org/sermons.htm .

To God alone be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


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