> Strange logic. You think I am not regenerated because I once had an
> incomplete view of the Gospel, though I now believe the gospel of grace. I
> reject all human works for salvation, and trust in Christ alone. I have
> trusted Christ for many years, but trust Him more perfectly now. How dare
> you presume to judge the election, when God himself takes such from any of
> us (I Tim. 2:19)?
I do not judge whether or not you are elect or reprobate. I do judge you to be lost based on your tolerance of the false gospel.
> How could I now believe if I am not regenerate?
Many people believe many things that are true and are yet unregenerate. All those who are regenerate have repented of former idolatry and dead works. This means that all who are regenerate believe that before they heard and believed the true gospel of salvation conditioned solely on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ, they were lost and their deeds were evil. Anyone who thinks he remained an Arminian after conversion has not truly repented of former idolatry and dead works.
>Do you trust in the good
> work of your perfect faith?
If I did, I would be lost.
> I would rather imperfectly trust in Christ
> (Lord, I believe. Help thou my unbelief!) that to perfectly trust in my
> faith. Trusting in faith will damn the soul as perfectly as
> trusting in any
> other idol.
> Grace requires us to reject trust in faith as much
> as any other
Correct. And any who trust in their faith as the ground of salvation are lost, just as any who trust in ANY of their works as the ground of salvation are lost. Those who believe in universal atonement must believe that the difference between saved and lost is NOT the work of Christ but IS the work of man. Thus, they are lost. And those who say they believed such blasphemy while they were saved are lost as well.
> Supernatural faith, which is the only kind that saves, does not trust in
> itself, but in its Lord, the only Saviour Jesus Christ. Such faith may be
> weak or may be strong, but because it is directed to the
> Sovereign Lord, it
> is strong in Him. Nothing in ourselves, including our faith, is mighty
> enough to save us. Christ alone is the savior. There is only one perfect
> gospel, but there are many imperfect understandings of it.
If by an "imperfect understanding" of the gospel you mean that one can be ignorant of the righteousness of Christ revealed in the gospel and still be regenerate, then you are wrong.
> will have to
> show that regeneration brings immediate perfect understanding to make your
> case. This you cannot do.
The Bible is clear that regeneration brings immediate belief in the true gospel.
> If you have perfect understanding, then your
> writings will have to be inerrant. I doubt that you will claim that.
I don't claim that. I don't claim to have perfect understanding. I do claim to believe the true gospel, which includes repentance from dead works and former idolatry.
> There is more than one way to deny the faith. We can deny in
> works as well
> as in doctrine. Must we be perfect in works to demonstrate faith?
No. We are to judge saved and lost by the standard of the gospel.
> suggest Warfield's book on perfectionism.
I have read it. Perfectionism is damnable heresy.
>I suspect that you will not get
> the superior form of Christianity that you expect to get by following this
There is no such thing as a "superior form of Christianity" versus an "inferior form." It's either Christianity or it's not. YOU are the one who believes in superior, consistent, Calvinistic "Christianity" versus the inferior, inconsistent, Arminian "Christianity."
> Is regeneration the perfection of a man?
> or what role does sanctification
One does not "grow" from believing a false gospel to believing a true gospel.
> The Bible does not teach that the regenerate "will realize that
> >before they believed the gospel of salvation conditioned solely on the
> >atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ, they were
> lost, and their
> >deeds were evil."
It certainly does. And you claim to be a minister of the Word??
> That is a perfectionistic statement, because
> you wrote
> it in reply to my affirmation that it was the purity of His commitment to
> us, and not the purity of our commitment to Him. You indicate that we are
> saved by the purity of our commitment to Him.
If I believed this, I would be lost.
I am saved by the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone. God, in His sovereign power, caused me to believe the true gospel upon regeneration. I would encourage you to read the article entitled
> It sounds good and may get
> "amens" from the untaught, but your statement leaves no room for growth in
> understanding, of putting off the old and putting on the new.
There is room for growth in many areas of the Christian life. But if someone is ignorant of the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel, he is lost, and no "putting on the new" will help him until God regenerates him.
> Why did Paul
> and the Apostles write so many letters of exhortation if regeneration was
> the end-all?
Regeneration is the end-all when it comes to one's standing before God. It is not the end-all in Christian growth.
>Your view of regeneration is heretical and Donatist
> and relies
> upon the flesh, not the Spirit. The man who walks with Christ
> becomes more
> and more aware of the depth of his own sin, and his repentance
> deepens as he
> continues the walk. Those who repent only once are shallow and
> know little
> of Christ.
False accusation. I never said that Christians repent only once.
> Those who come in faith to Christ for salvation will be saved, in body,
> soul, and mind. Imputed righteousness and actual righteousness
> do not occur
> simultaneously. If I am instantaneously made perfectly
> righteous, then what
> need is there for imputed righteousness?
False accusation. I never said that Christians become perfectly righteous in their character and conduct upon regeneration.
>Faith is the means, not
> the ground
> of imputation.
> I have taught the exclusive nature of the gospel for more than 40 years.
If you have taught that there are regenerate Arminians and that you were a regenerate while you were an Arminian, you did not teach the exclusive nature of the gospel. You taught a cleverly-disguised false gospel.
> The Arminian trusts in the strength of his will; you trust in
> your faith and
You are a liar.
> Can an Arminian be a Christian? Yes, if he is elect. He will be
> taught of
> the Father.
You are saying that one who believes in salvation conditioned on the sinner can be a Christian. This is blasphemy.
> Can a Calvinist be lost? Yes, if he is not elect.
Correct. Lost Calvinists believe that Arminians believe a "less consistent" form of the true gospel. Thus, they believe what they tolerate.
To God alone be the glory,
Marc D. Carpenter
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