<<I think to obey Romans 14 we should not be talking about such issues because it will cause false judgements and or cause each other to stumble. There is no need bickering over non gospel issues. Some of these areas are gray to some people anyway and others are trying to be dogmatic.>>
And Scott gives examples of "such issues":
<<going to the movies, renting a video, watching TV, drinking alcohol, going to the beach, listening to rock or county music, women wearing slacks, a man working in the yard without a shirt, smoking, chewing, breaking the speed limit, running a stop sign, purchasing "illegal guns", working out at a coed gym, getting a tattoo, wearing a goatee, eating pork, eating meat sacrificed to idols, cutting the grass on Sunday, women not wearing a hat type covering during worship, men wearing blue jeans to church, people not bowing their head and shutting their eyes when praying, not praying publicly before a meal, going to an amusement park, not keeping a certain day holy, dancing at a wedding, playing violent video games, dying your hair, wearing jewelry, getting a face lift, women wearing make up, going to a tanning booth, not respecting the President, send their kids to a public school, etc, and the list of "what ifs" goes on and on.>>
I am very much in disagreement with Scott regarding how most of these issues relate to Romans 14. If Romans 14 were talking about all such issues of character and conduct, and if it were telling us to not be talking about such issues of character and conduct, then there would be NO admonitions regarding character and conduct in the epistles. Yet we see MANY admonitions regarding character and conduct in the epistles. Paul says that women should be dressed modestly. Is this not an important issue with you, Scott? Is this a part of the Bible that you'd rather not talk about? Are certain parts of the Bible off-limits? OF COURSE we should talk about non-gospel issues. No, we shouldn't bicker over them, but we should be talking about them and admonishing one another.
And Scott, I would ask you:
(1) Is it merely a matter of Christian liberty to appear nude in public? Is this something a Christian is at liberty to do, or is it sin for him to do it? Please give biblical reasons for your answer.
(2) Is it merely a matter of Christian liberty to go to a place where there are other nude people? Is this something a Christian is at liberty to do, or is it sin for him to do it? Please give biblical reasons for your answer.
Some of the things Scott mentioned include:
<<going to the movies, renting a video, watching TV>>
Scott, is it merely a matter of Christian liberty to watch a sex scene or sexual innuendo or murder in a movie/video/TV show?
<<breaking the speed limit, running a stop sign>>
Scott, is it merely a matter of Christian liberty to rebel against the laws of the land?
<<women not wearing a hat type covering during worship>>
Scott, are you saying that 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 is not important?
(By the way, the head covering talked about in 1 Corinthians 11 is not a hat. He's not talking about a fashion statement; he's talking about a SUBMISSION statement.)
What about women teaching or speaking in church? Is this not an important issue?
<<playing violent video games>>
Scott, are you saying that it is merely a matter of Christian liberty to play a game that involves murder?
<<wearing jewelry, getting a face lift, women wearing make up, going to a tanning booth,>>
Scott, are you saying that issues of modesty are not important? That it does not matter if a Christian woman acts/dresses like a whore? Are you saying that we shouldn't talk about 1 Timothy 2:9 that expressly forbids plaiting/braiding and decorative jewelry?
<<send their kids to a public school>>
Scott, are you saying that issues of child training are not important? Are you saying that what the Bible says doesn't matter on this subject?
<<As long as a person obeys God according to the correct motive, without fear of punishment or promise of reward, the person will be on the right track. We all must study God's word and make up our own minds what to do.>>
Are you saying that it's okay to watch a sex or murder scene as long as you have the correct motive?
It is true that we are to obey without legal fear of punishment or mercenary promise of reward. You said in another post, "Are some people on this list not going to the beach for a summer vacation because they think God will punish them? If so, this is obedience out of the wrong motive." I totally agree with that. Not going to a place where the women are half-naked should not be out of fear of punishment. It should be out of a desire to obey God's commandments out of love for God who has saved us based on the work of Christ alone.
<<I am under the authority of Christ not the "commandments of men which turn from the truth".>>
Scott, is 1 Timothy 2:9 "the commandments of men"?
<<Al Martin once said on tape that he would rather be accused of being a Legalist than an Antinomian. Not me, for if you preach the gospel aright you, like Paul, you will be accused of being Antinomian.>>
I agree. When the gospel is preached aright, the charge of antinomianism will always pop up, since the gospel excludes character and conduct COMPLETELY from gaining or maintaining salvation or entitling one to any part of salvation. I would much rather be accused of being an antinomian than a legalist. Having said that, I also say that God's people will want to obey Him and will want to be conformed unto Christ in their character and conduct and will work diligently in that area. They will never even come close to the standard of perfection that the law requires, but they continue to strive toward this goal. None of this is done to gain, maintain, or entitle to salvation, but it is the loving response of a justified sinner who knows that he is already entitled to all of salvation based on the work of Christ alone.
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