> I hope you all don't take this approach when preaching and teaching to
> Armenians and others.
I don't know if I've ever preached to or taught an Armenian. Armenians are people from Armenia. Perhaps you mean "Arminians," which are the followers of the doctrine of Arminius.
> I have seen nothing but distaste and disgust for
> non-Calvinists in this group. Is that what a true follower of
> Christ is? A
Interesting you should say this, as I am not a Calvinist. Please see www.outsidethecamp.org/norefcal.htm . If I, as a non-Calvinist, have nothing but distaste and disgust for non-Calvinists, I must have nothing but distaste and disgust for myself. If I think that only Calvinists are followers of Christ, then I, as a non-Calvinist, would think that I am not a follower of Christ. See also www.outsidethecamp.org/letters44.htm for my response to a person who said that I believe that "only Calvinists are children of God." Obviously, I don't believe that. A true follower of Christ is one who believes the gospel. All who believe the gospel believe in salvation conditioned on the work of Christ alone, meaning that all who believe the gospel believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation. Those who believe in universal atonement do not believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation; instead, they believe in salvation conditioned on the sinner. Those who do not believe the gospel are unregenerate.
> I thought we were called Christians. Anyway, your attitude
> towards others is appalling. I see nothing of Christ reflected
> in it.
I'm very glad you brought this up. Christians need to strive to be like Christ. Christ sat and ministered to the harlots and tax-collectors. He reserved his harshest words for the self-righteous religionists who promoted salvation conditioned on themselves. He turned over the tables in the house of His Father. This is love. Christians should also emulate Paul, who said that he wished the Judaizers would emasculate themselves. Was Paul showing love here? Of course he was. He was writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit; what He wrote about the Judaizers is perfect. Christians should also emulate the greatest of the prophets other than Christ, who is John the Baptizer. He called the self-righteous religionists a brood of vipers. May we Christians be like John the Baptizer. The tolerant Calvinist would say, "Who were they to judge the hearts of these religious people? Weren't they being too harsh with them? Couldn't they have used more temperate language? Was 'offspring of vipers' and 'I wish they would emasculate themselves' really necessary? Isn't that mean and unloving? How did they expect to gain an audience with such language? Didn't they know that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar?" And on and on the religionists drone.
> the attitude of the Pharisees. You have the truth and see yourselves as
> better for it.
You obviously do not understand what the Pharisees were all about. Please see www.outsidethecamp.org/pharisee.htm .
> Which in the end is obviously the truth (that
> whole heaven vs
> hell thing), but we are called to share what we know. And to
> share it with
> love 1 Pet 3:15. If i could bold and underline love I would.
Okay, go ahead and bold and underline it. It is not loving to tell an unregenerate person that everything is okay. It is hatred.
> I'm tired of this rubbish about tolerant
> being in trouble.
You must then call the Scriptures rubbish. Please see www.outsidethecamp.org/2John11.htm .
> I've heard Marc say that you need to believe
> in the work
> and person of Christ. I believe in both.
But, my poor blind correspondent, if you believe that universal atonement advocates are saved, you must believe one of the following:
(1) The work of Christ, which is His atoning blood and imputed righteousness that ensures the salvation of all whom He represented, is not part of the gospel, or
(2) The work of Christ, which is His atoning blood and imputed righteousness that ensures the salvation of all whom He represented, is part of the gospel, but not all regenerate persons believe the gospel.
The truth is that the work of Christ, that efficacious work that ensures the salvation of all whom He represented, that work that accomplished salvation, that work of atonement, propitiation, and satisfaction, is at the very heart of the gospel. Without it, there is no gospel. There is no Christianity. Any "gospel" that says that Christ's blood atoned for those in hell, that says that Christ's blood actually did nothing to accomplish salvation, that says that Christ's blood did not actually do anything for anyone in and of itself, is a horrendous mockery of the true gospel. If you do not believe this, then you do NOT believe in the work of Christ, John, no matter how much you say it to yourself and to others.
> I know that God chose
> me. I could
> rattle off all 5 points of Calvinism and say amen at the end of
All lost Calvinists would be able to rattle off all "5 points of Calvinism and say amen at the end of each."
> But I
> see nowhere in the Bible that I'm going to hell for saying that my
> non-Calvinist Baptist brother is saved.
Please, please read www.outsidethecamp.org/2John11.htm carefully. Speaking peace to those who bring a false gospel is indicative of a lost state. I pray to God that you will see this.
> You may be able to prove
> beyond a
> shadow of a doubt that it is a sin, but I have been proved beyond
> a shadow of
> a doubt that my sins are taken care of by someone far greater
> than any of us.
It is not just a sin. There are some sins that are indicative of lostness, and this is one of them.
This also sounds very antinomian. I may be able to prove that this is a sin, but you'll keep doing it anyway, because it's been taken care of by Christ??
> Sin does not strip my salvation away, otherwise my works in
> preventing myself
> from sinning would be what saved me.
Sin never strips salvation from anyone. When someone is regenerated, nothing he does will bring him back under condemnation. Having said that, there are certain sins that Christians will never commit. One of them is speaking peace to those who bring a false gospel.
To God alone be the glory,
Marc D. Carpenter
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