Brian wrote:

> First, there is no atonement in the muslim religion,

There actually is atonement in the Muslim religion. Type in keywords "atonement islam" in your search engine. I have printed out articles on Muslim atonement. It is self-atonement.

> 2) Calvinst are
> not the sole owners of the truth,


Agreed. In fact, I wouldn't call myself a Calvinist. See www.outsidethecamp.org/norefcal.htm .

> 2) I would like to see all
> references to Churches or denominations dropped.


Agreed.

> Secondly, The criticism of those who
> are arminians as unregenerate sets one up as the judge of all mens
> hearts. That we are not!


See the article "Righteous Judgment" at www.outsidethecamp.org/rightjudg.htm .

Would you also say "the criticism of those who are Jehovah's Witnesses as unregenerate sets one up as the judge of all mens hearts"?

Would you judge all JW's lost? Does that mean you have set yourself up as the judge of all men's hearts?

> A Christian grows in the knowledge of Grace
> and Sanctification and does not as a whole know the full
> implications of the Truth until discipled. This takes time and
> teaching and even heated arguements.


So would you say that Jehovah's Witnesses could be a true Christian who just hasn't yet grown into believing in the deity of Christ? Does it take time for one to believe in the deity of Christ?

One does not "grow" from believing in a false gospel of salvation conditioned on the sinner to believing in the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the work of Christ alone. There is a great change upon regeneration and conversion -- from believing a false gospel to believing the true gospel.

> There are those who are weak in thier doctrines and need
> to be taught the truth.


Are Jehovah's Witnesses just "weak in their doctrines and need to be taught the truth"?

For answers to similar objections, see:

www.outsidethecamp.org/letters33.htm

www.outsidethecamp.org/letters44.htm

www.outsidethecamp.org/letters72(1).htm

www.outsidethecamp.org/letters72(2).htm

Phoebe wrote:

> I am not willing to make statements as to whether someone is
> one of God's elect.


I, too, am not willing to make statements as to whether someone is one of God's elect. Christians are not to judge whether or not someone is elect; Christians are to judge whether or not someone is regenerate. Please see www.outsidethecamp.org/fte34.htm .

> Lastly, I am just curious how many who have found/read you Outside
> the Camp material have indicated agreement with you. Does this
> teaching have historical roots/traces since NT times? (I must say
> that this is the 1st time I ever encountered this view, & I have
> lived around the world.)

This teaching most definitely traces to NT times; John taught it in 2 John. There are people around the world who agree with us.

I do hope you will continue to think about these things. I'm not trying to be harsh or unloving.

Marc


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