>>[Marc asks:] True Christians hold the Arminian position?

> [David responds:] Yes,Truly mistaken, confused, ignorant and even rebellious Christians.

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in partial depravity?

> Some Yes, but at least in depravity (for all have sinned)

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in conditional election?

> Some Yes, but at least in their election.

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in universal atonement?

> Some Yes, but at least in atonement.

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in resistible grace?

> Some Yes, but at least in grace.

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in conditional perseverance?

> Some Yes, but at least in perseverance of God

i.e., salvation conditioned on the sinner.

> >True Christians believe in salvation conditioned on the sinner?

> Some Yes, but at least in a salvation that is conditioned.

What utter, filthy blasphemy.

You are a wicked man, David.

You are an idolater.

You are of Satan.

The gospel is the message of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone. Believe the gospel and live; reject this gospel and die. You are yet dead in your sins.

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part [will be] in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8)

Soli Deo Gloria,

Marc


David said:

<<If the gospel is a simple indicative message about what God did, (i.e. man's depravity, God's favor, the atonement, God's call, God's faithfulness, without all the qualifying adjectives of total vs. partial, merited vs. unmerited, limited vs. universal, resistable vs. irresistible, etc.) ...>>

Oh, yes, it's just those little dispensable qualifying adjectives that get in the way ... merited vs. unmerited and the like. Who needs them?

> Hum, this is an hard saying. who can accept it? God can't
> regenerate, or won't regenerate unless the gospel message is presented in
> exacting detail? Salvation is thwarted by the fallibility of it's
> messengers? There are not enough Bible verses shared at Arminian
> revivals for God to use? God's Word returns void due to doctrinal
> baggage? The sharp sword of God is blunted by the muddle headed thinking
> of the evangelist? God is limited by a quantity of truth.

David's god: "Well, I really want to save Joe, but, darn it, he keeps going to those Arminian revivals. How am I going to do it? Hmmm ... I KNOW! I'll just save him under the false gospel! I know salvation is supposed to be 'God glorified in the hearts of sinners," but hey, I'll make an exception, because Joe just refuses to come under the preaching of the true gospel, even though that's really my preference."

The TRUE God is TOTALLY SOVEREIGN -- this means that He sovereignly brings His people under the preaching of the TRUE gospel and glorifies Himself in their salvation by making them believe that salvation is conditioned totally on the merits of His Son.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Marc

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