Hi, Just read your version of Atonement and am a little confused. Are you suggesting that even tho Christ died for just certain people, if those people ignored His teaching, they would still be saved or are you saying that Christ died just for certain people and those people don't have to worry but everyone else has to worry.


Thanks for writing.

Here's what the Bible's version of the Atonement is:

(1) Jesus Christ atoned for certain people whom God chose before the foundation of the world.

(2) In time, all those for whom Jesus Christ atoned will be born again and will believe the gospel and will strive to live in obedience to God's Law.

(3) Those for whom Jesus Christ did not atone will never be born again.

(4) Among those who are not born again, we cannot tell who are the ones for whom Jesus Christ atoned and for whom Jesus Christ did not atone. We preach the gospel to everyone without exception, and God regenerates and causes to believe the gospel those whom He chose from before the foundation of the world (those for whom Jesus Christ atoned).

If you would like to see a good summary of the Christian Faith, please see the Christian Confession of Faith at www.outsidethecamp.org/ccf.htm .

I am willing to correspond with you further and answer any other questions you might have.

To God alone be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


Marc, Thought Christ died for all! If not, how do we know which ones He did die for and which ones He didn't?


Dear Bill,

I thought you read the article entitled "Gospel Atonement." This clearly shows that Christ did not die for everyone without exception. Christ died for His sheep. The ones He died for will come to faith in Christ. The ones He did not die for will not come to faith in Christ. Like I said before, among those who are not regenerated, we don't know which ones He did die for and which ones He didn't. But when one comes to faith in Christ, we know that Christ died for that person. I would urge you to read the article entitled "Gospel Atonement" again at www.outsidethecamp.org/gospatone.htm . If Christ died for everyone without exception, yet some for whom Christ died go to hell, then Christ's death for those in hell was a failure; it didn't accomplish salvation; it didn't make the difference between salvation and damnation. And all who believe that Christ died for those in hell must necessarily believe that the work of Christ does not make the only difference between salvation and damnation. This is a damnable false gospel.

Hope this helps clarify things! Keep asking questions if you'd like!

To God alone be the glory,

Marc


Hi Marc, Although I did read the passage as I said, your explanation makes it clearer. I believe it boils down to, did Christ die for all or just a select few. I believe He died for all but it's up to us to accept Him through the gift of free will. You seem to disagree and that's your choice but it doesn't mean that we are wrong, rather that you believe we are wrong. I guess we will find out some day.

On the matter of the proposed change in Marriage definition, how important a question is it, that is, do you believe it is important for those of us who like the present definition to object to the suggested changes, eg. by going to Ottawa?

Thanks for your responses!


Dear Bill,

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception, then you do not believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation. Anyone who does not believe that it is the work of Christ alone that makes the difference between salvation and damnation does not believe the gospel. When Paul speaks of boasting/glorying in the cross, he is saying that the cross is what made the difference. Whatever you think makes the difference is what you boast/glory in. You boast/glory in your acceptance of your christ through the gift of free will. I am here to tell you that you are an unregenerate hater of God, bringing forth dead works and fruit unto death. I'm not saying that to be mean -- I'm saying it hoping that you will see the light. Whatever you do regarding the marriage definition doesn't matter. Everything you do is an abomination to God. You are under the curse of God. You need to believe the gospel.

To God alone be the glory,

Marc


Dear Marc, I believe with out Christ having died for us none of us would be saved but I still believe that Christ died for all but it's up to us to accept Him or not. Just because some don't accept Him doesn't mean He died in vain, only that it's not a perfect world in that we are not perfect. He died to save us all but not all of us want badly enough to be saved.


So what makes the difference between you and those in hell is that you wanted to be saved more than they did. You were better than they were, because you, with your almighty Free Will, desired salvation more than they did. You were better than they were, because you chose to accept what Christ offered to everyone. This is the very essence, the epitome, of damnable pride. You made yourself to differ. You boast in your own effort, in your own "wanting it more badly" than the others. SELF is on the throne. All hail to SELF! Your weakling jesus wanted so badly to save everyone, but not everyone wanted it badly enough. So your god rewards you for your effort. Your salvation is not of grace; it is of debt. Your god OWED you salvation because YOU wanted salvation badly enough. This is a stench in the nostrils of the Holy God. God HATES this. It is the very ANTITHESIS of the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the work of Christ alone. It spits in the face of Christ and treats the blood of Christ as nothing but a blanket amnesty that makes it possible for everyone to be saved, if only they want it badly enough. It denies that all humans by nature are totally depraved and would NEVER want to be saved and would ALWAYS be enemies of God were it not for God CAUSING His people to be saved. Bill, it is sad but true: you are an evil blasphemer. REPENT of your wickedness; REPENT of believing in salvation conditioned on the sinner; and BELIEVE the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ ALONE!! I would rejoice to see God save you from your putrid self-worship!

To God ALONE be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


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