Dear Jon,

Thanks for your e-mail. I would like to reply to it.

You wrote:

> i find it so interesting that you have the views you do.
> i think it is quite dangerous to say that people who
> heartfeltly and sincerly follow after God are called
> "wicked"


How do you know they are "heartfeltly and sincerly" (sic) following after the one true and living God? God says in Romans 10:2 that there are some who have "zeal to God" who are unregenerate. How can that be? It is because "they have zeal to God, but not according to KNOWLEDGE" (Romans 10:2). Sure, they are sincere and heartfelt and zealous, but they are lacking KNOWLEDGE. What knowledge are they lacking? Of what are they ignorant? Romans 10:3 says that they are "ignorant of the righteousness of God," which is that righteousness that is revealed in the gospel (Romans 1:17; Romans 3:21-26). Whoever does not believe the gospel, which includes all who are ignorant of the gospel, are unregenerate. All people who are unregenerate are wicked.

> your judgement of other people and the way you exclude them
> because their views differ from yours is remarkable. you are
> clearly not willing to explore your faith, consider
> different views or except other peoples views as their own
> yet still love them as brothers and sisters in christ.
> afterall dont we all have salvation because of God's grace.
> are not all those you slate as wicked doing their best for
> god.


"Doing their best for God" isn't good enough. In Matthew 7:22, Jesus said that "Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power?" Sounds like they were "doing their best for God." But what will Jesus say to them? "I never knew you; depart from Me, those working lawlessness!" (Matthew 7:23). Even the Lord Jesus Christ will call them wicked. So I'm following after the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is not a matter of "doing your best for God." One's best does not measure up to the standard of perfect righteousness that God requires. The only way that God will fellowship with someone is if he has perfect righteousness. The only way a person can have perfect righteousness is when God IMPUTES Christ's perfect righteousness TO His people. They are counted as perfectly righteous because of what Christ has done for them.

> your hall of shame is dispicable. where is the love of
> christ there? i believe spurgeon, packer etc have done more
> for the kingdom of god than your bigoted, exclusive and
> unloving 'christianity' has evr done.


Suppose a doctor knows a patient has a disease and knows the cure. Would it be loving for that doctor to tell the patient that everything is okay? Of course not. It would be HATEFUL of him. The LOVING thing to do would be to tell the patient that he has the disease and then show him the cure. It is not unloving to call people unregenerate. It would be HATEFUL for me to tell an unregenerate person that everything is okay with his soul. True love will tell an unsaved person that he is unregenerate and will then preach the gospel to him.

> i doubt there are any prostitutes out there that would agree
> with your doctrines. therefore, you say you wont have
> fellowship with them. how shall we show these people the
> love of god then? didnt jesus have the time of day for them.
> arent the people you wish to exclude from your lives the
> very people christ spent time with.


You obviously don't know what "fellowship" means in the biblical sense. To "fellowship" with someone is to join with that person as a brother in Christ. I will not "fellowship" with anyone who does not manifest the fruits of being a brother in Christ. But that doesn't mean I won't be with prostitutes or homosexuals or other unregenerate people to witness to them. You have misrepresented my position.

> you appear to have God in a box and represent his views in
> this way.


I proclaim God as He reveals Himself in Scripture.

> your website is offensive to people and unloving.

I don't doubt that it is offensive to the unregenerate, and I don't doubt that it seems unloving to the unregenerate. But see what I said previously about true love.

> you dont appear to see worth in anyones views. you just seem
> to brand them as evil. unlike paul who said let the jewish
> christians worship as jewish christians, and let the gentile
> christians worship as themselves - WITHOUT SLAGGING EACH
> OTHER OFF.


Paul said that those who proclaim a different gospel are accursed (Galatians 1:8-9). He said he wished those proclaiming another gospel would emasculate themselves (Galatians 5:12). Was it loving of Paul to say these things? Was he "slagging off" those proclaiming a different gospel? Paul's unity (and the unity of all Christians) is around the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. Any who believed this gospel, Paul counted as his brothers in Christ. Anyone who did not believe this gospel, Paul counted as unregenerate.

> please reconsider your faith and your views. please try to
> read the bible with an open mind as possible - not reading
> into it what you presuppose - that way you might get more
> from it and perhaps understand it better, without first
> putting your views onto it.


My views come from the Bible.

> i apologise if this is judgemental or offensive. i also dont
> doubt that you wont email me back. i expect you will have
> contempt for me and judge me as wicked and unchristian.


I make it a point to respond to e-mails.

> its by grace we are saved.

God, in His grace, when He saves someone, gives that person a knowledge of the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. I would encourage you to read the manuscripts of a series of sermons on the gospel at www.outsidethecamp.org/sermons.htm .

> your brother in christ (regardless of whether you believe it
> or not),


You have just made a judgment that I am a Christian. Upon what basis did you make that judgment?

I encourage you to read the article "Righteous Judgment" at www.outsidethecamp.org/rightjudg.htm .

To God alone be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


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