James White mentioned me in his July 2, 2009 "Dividing Line" broadcast. Here's a transcript of part of it (with my comments afterwards):

James White (JW): Let's talk with Alan real quick in St. Louis. Hi Alan.

Caller: Hey. I found you on YouTube and I really enjoy watching your videos.

JW: [Laughs]

Caller: And so I'd thought I'd call in today...I saw your call in show here. I've got a question. I've been really...thinking about lately and kinda tossing back and forth in my mind and...I was raised in a non-denominational church...like a charismatic type church and later in life...you know now I fully embrace the Reformed theology and classic Christianity. You know, in all its forms. But, I think back to like the people, the pastors and stuff...I knew all through youth group...you know my teens and early twenties and stuff, and what I've been thinking about...I don't know quite how to deal with it, is if someone...like especially pastors who are constantly in the Word of God studying for sermons and stuff...if they are truly of the elect, wouldn't God at some point bring them to a clear understanding of Scripture?

JW: Well, you have to be really careful.

Caller: ...I'm not accusing anybody...

JW: I know, I know...But I've...

Caller: ...It's something that I just wrestle with...these guys are so right on almost everything...

JW: Yeah. Yeah.

Caller: ...then you think, well, they believe in absolute healing...some of these people that I'm talking about...

JW: Yeah.

Caller: ...they believe in some crazy doctrines...and I think man, if they were really Christians though wouldn't the Holy Spirit at some point...

JW: ...we got to be...

Caller: ...lead them to a clear understanding

JW: you got to be really careful at that point...because that's...that is the road that leads directly into hypercalvinism...

Caller: What does that mean...what do you mean hypercalvinism?

JW: A hypercalvinist is primarily a person who...it's a combination of things...but primarily they don't believe in the propriety or necessity of evangelism...the proclamation of the gospel and they also go so far as to basically say that all non-Calvinists...Arminians are not saved and they're going to be going to hell in essence because they got a false gospel...I'm thinking of...what's the guy's name? Oh...Marc...Carpenter. Marc Carpenter is a type of person that ends up drawing the circle so small that you'd have to stand on one foot to stay inside it yourself so...

Caller: Right, right.

JW: ...you have to be careful about the perfection of knowledge theory, that in essence says, 'well, you know, you need to have a perfect knowledge of the gospel to be saved or once you are saved you'll eventually have a perfection of knowledge'--none of us ever do...

Caller: Right.

JW: ...and we have to leave it to the Spirit of God to determine where He's going to bring us in our journey of sanctification and knowledge in this life. And so you...

Caller: Do you think it's feasible...you know that person could hold really absurd doctrines like absolute healing and...prosperity type stuff...well, they could be Christians, who knows?

JW: You have to leave that kind of thing up to the Lord at that point and I don't know that there's much accomplished in attempting to speculate on these things...I will be one of those who's very politically incorrect and will point to that whole realm of things and say...the vast majority of these leaders who are...making beaucoup bucks off of these, these people are clearly not Christians...they're peddling the Word of God and they're truly not regenerate...but what do you do with the...with the little grandmother who trusts Jesus to save her but she just doesn't want to believe anybody would ever deceive her...if brother Billy Bob says this then brother Billy Bob must be right...You have to be careful along those lines...Now...

Caller: I just kind of wrestle with that...

JW: I understand.

Caller: ...you think at some point...you know...would come to clear understanding...especially like God's sovereignty...

JW: There's another reason not to go there...The other reason not to go there is that you're assuming that it is the intention of God to bring every believer in this life to the same point of sanctification. If that were the case, He'd save us all when we were tiny and He would place this overwhelming desire to be studying the Word of God in us that that's all we'd ever do...Obviously, it's not His intention to have us all in that situation...He saves some people toward the very ends of their lives and why would you do that if it was your intention to always bring everybody to that point?

My response:

Here's James White again slandering me by calling me a hypercalvinist after saying that hypercalvinists "primarily ... don't believe in the propriety or necessity of the proclamation of the gospel." I have confronted White several times about this slander (e.g., see "James White: Slanderer, Spiritual Harlot, Hypocrite"), and yet he continues to spew it. As all of you who are familiar with Outside the Camp know, we forcefully and emphatically believe in the propriety and necessity of the proclamation of the gospel. And not only that, we believe that everyone without exception is commanded to repent and believe the gospel. We have even written against hypercalvinists (e.g., see "The Irrelevant Gospel.").

The way White answered the caller shows his damnable inconsistency. Regarding whether or not those who hold to the absolute healing and prosperity gospel heresies, White would have the caller "leave that kind of thing up to the Lord at that point," yet he then hypocritically makes the judgment that "the vast majority of these leaders ... are clearly not Christians." What? Why are we not to "leave that kind of thing up to the Lord at that point" regarding the spiritual state of the "vast majority of these leaders"? Who is James White to say that they "are clearly not Christians"? Isn't that on "the road that leads directly to hypercalvinism"? Isn't that promoting a "perfection of knowledge" error? Is James White saying that the "vast majority of these leaders" need to have a "perfect knowledge of the gospel" in order for him to judge them to be Christians? This is similar to the hypocrisy I exposed in "James White: Slanderer, Spiritual Harlot, Hypocrite" regarding what White says about Mormons. Why does James White not leave the spiritual state of Mormons up to the Lord? In saying that all Mormons are unregenerate, isn't he advocating a "perfection of knowledge theory"? White even said, "It is a canard to raise 'my approval of a person's theological accuracy.' It is a matter of whether God uses the gospel and whether He saves people in false worship, false faith, and does not, in fact, impart His truth through His Spirit's renewing of the mind and the ministry of the Spirit-enlightened Word. Are we truly to believe that God has chosen to exercise His elective grace in direct contradiction to His stated purposes in glorifying Himself through the creation of a special people in Jesus Christ who know Him savingly? That is the question." Of course it is! Yet if I say the same thing, I'm a hypercalvinist who holds to a "perfection of knowledge" theory. Oh the hypocrisy!

To God alone be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


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