<<You, honorable sirs, are guilty of the same error you condemn in others, and I would therefore respectfully refer you to Matthew 7:1-2.

You say that Arminians are unregenerate because of what they believe. Then in the next breath you say that their doctrinal error is that they "believe that salvation is conditioned on the sinner in any way." (your exact words). Well, if regeneration requires that the sinner believe a certain creed (even a correct creed) then haven't you made salvation conditioned on the sinner? After all, it is the sinner who must believe a certain thing in order to be regenerated, and salvation is therefore conditioned on the sinner.

Sorry, I believe in the sovereignty of God. God' sovereignty is great enough to save whomever God pleases, regardless of what that person believes. In practice, I have no doubt that most if not all of the time those who are saved will have a sound soteriology, but I'm not about to tell God that he can't save someone who doesn't.

You see, unlike you I really do believe that salvation is not conditioned on the sinner in any way. It isn't even conditioned on the sinner understanding or believing sound soteriology.>>

We most certainly are not guilty of the same error we condemn in others. We do not believe that salvation is conditioned on the sinner understanding or believing sound soteriology. There is no requirement a sinner has to meet in order to be regenerated. You have falsely accused us. See the article "Doctrinal Regeneration" at www.outsidethecamp.org/doctregen.htm and the letter to Credenda/Agenda at www.outsidethecamp.org/credenda.htm . I will also paste a letter below that I wrote to James White that touches on this subject.

Consider: What if I said that all Jehovah's Witnesses are unregenerate as evidenced by their doctrinal error of denying the deity of Christ? Would you then say, "Well, if regeneration requires that the sinner believe a certain creed (even a correct creed) then haven't you made salvation conditioned on the sinner? After all, it is the sinner who must believe a certain thing in order to be regenerated, and salvation is therefore conditioned on the sinner."?

How about Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists? Is saying that they are unregenerate the same thing as telling God that He can't save them?

After all, the JWs and the Muslims and the Hindus and the Buddhists just "don't believe a correct creed," and "God's sovereignty is great enough to save whomever God pleases, regardless of what that person believes."

The main issue is this: When God saves a person, does He do nothing to that person's belief so that the person REMAINS a believer of a false gospel? Or does He sovereignly cause that person to believe the TRUE gospel? It is YOU, sir, who do not believe in the sovereignty of God. It is YOU who do not believe that when He sovereignly saves an Arminian or a JW or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist, He sovereignly causes that person to CEASE being an Arminian or a JW or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist, sovereignly causes that person to REPENT of his former religion (to count it as dung), and sovereignly causes that person to BELIEVE the true gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone.

Belief of the gospel is NOT a prerequisite or condition of regeneration, but it IS an IMMEDIATE FRUIT of regeneration. THIS is what glorifies God's sovereignty, not your blasphemous notion that God saves a person and that person remains in a false gospel.

If you are a man of integrity, you will e-mail me back and tell me that you have falsely accused us. If you have any questions, please ask. But do not accuse us of something to which we do not hold.

To God alone be the glory,

Marc D. Carpenter


Home

E-mails, Forums, and Letters