Todd U. said:

> But there comes a point in time when I have to realize that
> throughout my Christian life I have had to grow. Understanding
> sovereignty,
> election, and etc. was the areas that I had to grow.
> To define someone's salvation by their understanding of grace is absolute
> ignorance.
> To define someone's Christian walk by their understanding of grace is also
> ignorance.

A Christian does not "grow" into believing the true gospel. A Christian does not "grow" from being ignorant of the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel to knowing the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel. A Christian does not "grow" from believing in a counterfeit jesus to believing the true Jesus. This knowledge of the true God, the true Christ, the true gospel, is given to him upon regeneration through the preaching of the gospel.

Arminianism is not merely a "lack of growth"; it is belief in the antithesis of the gospel. The gospel is the good news of salvation conditioned solely on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ. Arminians believe in the "gospel" of salvation conditioned on the sinner. The difference between the Arminian "gospel" and the true gospel is not one of degree; it is one of kind. The Arminian "gospel" is a DIFFERENT gospel, not just a less consistent form of the true gospel.

So, Todd, how do you define someone's salvation? Is it by character and conduct or by the doctrine the person believes? Or is it by some mystical experience the person had or continues to have (e.g., "I just feel the love of Jesus in my heart")?

> Just because I am a staunch reformer does not mean that I have arrived
> either.

Staunch reformer?

> Really, the more I learn is the more I realize I did not know.

Have you learned that you did not know the true gospel?

> I say all of this to say...
> We have to be careful labeling someone.
> Believe me, I have no problem in calling someone a heretic if
> their doctrine
> is heretical.
> But I don't want to step up to the judge's chair because the robe is not
> mine!


> I cannot and will not make a god out of correct doctrine and then classify
> who is saved and who is not. Or who is a compromiser and who is not.

Please read All true Christians are commanded to judge saved and lost. For example, God commands us, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers" (2 Corinthians 6:14). How can Christians obey this commandment if they are not to judge?

> When we all get down to it the gospel message is nothing more that Jesus and Him crucified.

Correct. And "Jesus and Him crucified" contains A LOT of doctrine. It contains the doctrine of Christ's person and the doctrine of Christ's work. Jesus said that those who do not believe the gospel are lost (Mark 16:16); God the Holy Spirit through the Apostle John said that those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ are lost (2 John 9). I guess you'd say that the Apostle John is "making a god out of correct doctrine and then classifying who is saved and who is not," eh?

Soli Deo Gloria,



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