> if not how could it be true in 2 peter 3:9 that
> GOD desires
> that none should perish but that all should come to repentance.


Look closely at 2 Peter 3:9. To whom is the Lord longsuffering? Everyone without exception? Who is the "any" whom the Lord does not wish to perish? It is any OF US -- meaning any of those to whom Peter is writing: see 1 Peter 1:1 to see those to whom Peter is writing -- "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father." God is not willing that any OF HIS PEOPLE should perish. Now think about it -- if God is not willing that all without exception should perish and yet some do perish, then God is an everlastingly disappointed God, and this is blasphemy.

> Another thing that I don't understand is that if GOD's will
> can not be
> resisted then hows come believers do it all the time. Possibly there has
> been a time that GOD wanted to witness to someone but you were in
> a hurry and
> walked out with out doing it than you resisted GOD's will and if
> a believer
> can resist GOD's will than how much more some one who is still
> held under the
> bonds of having saton as thier god and king 2 cor. 4:4. And if
> His will can't
> be resisted than hows come in the new testament we are warned not
> to quench
> the SPIRIT 1 thes. 5:19 grieve they HOLY SPIRIT eph. 4:30 and resist the
> HOLY SPIRIT acts 7:51 and in this case they were going against
> the will of
> GOD in tems of salvation.


First, you must understand the distinction between God's will by way of decree and God's will by way of command. God commands certain things, and people disobey this command. This does not mean that God wished that they would obey but they frustrated His wish.

Regarding Acts 7:51: I will quote it and the two verses that follow, to get the immediate context: "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." Now, as you read it in that context, you may have already figured it out by yourself (like you did the Esau-Pharaoh connection). But before we get into the meaning of it, let me give you some passages that are very clear about whether God can be thwarted: "All that the Father gives Me shall come to me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out" (John 6:37). "But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases" (Psalm 115:3). These are just two of a ton of passages about God's plan always being accomplished. Everyone that God the Father gives to God the Son will come, no doubt about it. Acts 13:48 says "as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed," showing that those in that crowd who had been appointed to eternal life before the foundation of the world were irresistibly drawn. They could not have rejected the Word on that day. Having said all that, we can definitely say what Acts 7:51 does not mean. It does not mean that the Spirit was trying to draw those Jews to Himself, wishing they would come, but He was powerless to save them unless they were willing. In fact, as you see the verse in context, there is absolutely no evidence that God was wanting to save those people. Instead, Stephen was giving a scathing rebuke to those Jews who rejected Christ, saying that they were resisting the Holy Spirit just like their ancestors resisted the Holy Spirit. And how did their ancestors resist the Holy Spirit? They persecuted and killed the prophets -- those who were filled with the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament times. And how did they themselves resist the Holy Spirit? In the same way -- they persecuted and killed the New Testament prophets, including Christ Himself, and soon to be Stephen. The verb "to resist" used here means "to fall out against, to oppose." Other verbs in the Bible that have the same root mean "to be in a state of war with" and "to be arrayed in battle against." These Jews were in opposition to the Holy Spirit. They were opposing the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was not trying to enter them -- what a poor, pitiful, weakling Holy Spirit that would be, where mere man could stop Him from doing His work! On the contrary -- "for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in POWER and in the HOLY SPIRIT and with FULL CONVICTION" (1 Thessalonians 1:5)! And, as the gospel is "an aroma from life to life" to some, it is also "an aroma from death to death" of others (2 Corinthians 2:15-16). That is, it is the power of God unto salvation for the elect, and it is the power of God unto damnation for the reprobate. The elect are saved; the reprobate are hardened. The gospel always does its work, and it is always successful! Even if not one soul gets saved under a ministry of the true gospel, it has done the work that God had planned it to do! Praise God!

> I also don't agree with the doctrine of eternal security but let me say
> this thst I do not believe that you can loose it by sin becouse the bible
> does not say that we stand by our moral perfection . Romans 11:20
> says that
> we stand by faith but it does say two versus latter that if we
> don't continue
> in His goodness we shall be cut off . And what about the versus
> in Hebrews 6
> and in 10 if you take them at face value and blieve that GOD
> says what He
> means then both of these versus seem to teach that it is possible
> to loose
> your salvation but I do believe that it is tough and that and takes a
> complete turning from GOD and a lifestyle of constant rebelling.


True believers believe that their salvation (which includes everything from regeneration to final glory) is TOTALLY by the merits of Christ's work. Now since salvation is totally by the work of Christ, then the only way for one to lose his salvation is for Christ's work to be insufficient. This would be blasphemy. NONE of salvation, from regeneration to final glory, is conditioned on the sinner. Romans 11:22 is most definitely not talking about a believer losing his salvation! Those who continue in His goodness are the ones in whom the Holy Spirit is working. Those who do not continue in His goodness are the ones who never had the Holy Spirit to begin with. Please read the following passages: Jn. 6:37. Rm. 8:28-30. Jn. 10:28-29. 2 Cor. 1:21-22. Eph. 1:13-14. Phl. 1:6.

Remember -- the gospel is the good news of salvation conditioned SOLELY on the work of Christ. Anything that conditions any part of salvation on the sinner is a false gospel.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Marc


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