Lou said:

> It certainly would appear that these inconsistent, or preferential
> Calvinists are denying the Gospel. But, then you also have some that will
> call Arminianism the work of demons, and having so said, will still
> maintain, at least publicly, that Arminians are our brothers. I
> simply fail
> to see the logic of such people.

It's the ISM issue. Many would say that ArminianISM is damnable but do not say that Arminians are lost. It's really easy to attack an ISM; if you keep your judgments to ISMs rather than people, you can speak peace to those who hold the ISM while saying that the ISM itself is a false gospel. This is what John Robbins has done. This is what Doug Kuiper (PRC) has done. And this is what many, many of the more conservative professing Calvinists have done. Oh, they'll tell you that the ISM is false and that we are to fight with all our might against the ISM. Their rhetoric is sometimes even so strong that you might think that they really believe the true gospel. But when you ask them if all who hold to the ISM are lost -- well, they just "wouldn't go that far." What double-talk. The devil loves it.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Marc


[Jerry]

> I don't know whether he, Loraine Boetner, was a compromiser or
> not, but boy did he hate Arminiansim.


[Marc]

There it is again -- the ISM. Boettner hated ArminianISM. But this doesn't mean a thing. The main question is: Did Boettner believe Arminians (those who hold to ArminianISM) were his brothers in Christ? There are many unregenerate people who say they hate ArminianISM. Take, for example, Joe Wilson, the editor of the Baptist Examiner in 1989. Scott sent me an article by him in which Wilson said this:

"I am a sovereign gracer. I believe most firmly in all five of the doctrines of grace. I preach these doctrines strongly and frequently. I do not preach or practice anything that is contrary to these great and glorious truths. Arminianism is a hated doctrine to me. I bear it no good will at all. I stand against it most adamantly."

See what he said? ArminianISM is a HATED doctrine to him. So what does this mean when it comes to judging Arminians? In the same article, Wilson said this:

"I am not an Arminian. I abhor Arminianism. But I verily believe that there are Arminians who have believed the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, who are truly saved, who are our brothers and sisters in Christ, and who will be with us in eternal heaven."

See that? He ABHORS ArminianISM; he HATES ArminianISM, and yet he believes that there are Arminians who are his brothers and sisters in Christ!!

[Jerry]
> If you havn't you should read his
> book The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, you will certainly
> prefit from
> it.


[Marc]

I've read it, and that's where I got most of the quotes for the Heterodoxy Hall of Shame. Did you read pages 332, 348-349, 352-360? If so, you would have read things like:

"We believe the Calvinistic system to be the only one set forth in the Scriptures and vindicated by reason, and therefore the most stable and influential in the production of righteousness. Yet to all who differ from us we cordially allow the right of private judgment, and sincerely rejoice in the good which they are able to accomplish." (p. 352)

"While the Presbyterian Church is preeminently a doctrinal Church, she never demands the full acceptance of her standards by any applicant for admission to her fold. A credible profession of faith in Christ is her only condition of Church membership. She does demand that her ministers and elders shall be Calvinists; yet this is never demanded of lay members. As Calvinists we gladly recognize as our fellow Christians any who trust Christ for their salvation, regardless of how inconsistent their beliefs may be. We do believe, however, that Calvinism is the only system which is wholly true. And while one can be a Christian without believing the whole Bible, his Christianity will be imperfect in proportion as he departs from the Biblical system of doctrine. In this connection Prof. F. E. Hamilton has well said: 'A blind, deaf and dumb man can, it is true, know something of the world about him through the senses remaining, but his knowledge will be very imperfect and probably inaccurate. In a similar way, a Christian who never knows or never accepts the deeper teachings of the Bible which Calvinism embodies, may be a Christian, but he will be a very imperfect Christian, and it should be the duty of those who know the whole truth to attempt to lead him into the only storehouse which contains the full riches of true Christianity.' 'The Calvinist,' says Dr. Craig, does not differ from other Christians in kind, but only in degree, as more or less good specimens of a thing.' We are not all Calvinists as we travel the road to heaven, but we shall all be Calvinists when we get there." (pp. 353-354)

"In regard to the truly broad and tolerant nature of the Presbyterian Church we shall now take the privilege of quoting rather extensively from Dr. E. W. Smith's admirable little book, 'The Creed of Presbyterians,' -- more than sixty-five thousand copies of which have already been distributed. ... 'We respond with all our hearts to the "Amen" of the Methodists; we join with our brethren in any psalmody that puts the crown upon the brow of Jesus; and most lovingly do we invite our fellow Christians of every name and denomination to partake with us of the emblems of His broken body and His shed blood. We have no prejudice, no peculiarity, no crotchet of any kind, to restrict our Christian sympathies and dig a chasm between us and other servants of our Master. Our catholicity is as wide as evangelical Christendom,' (pp. 189-193). And again he says: 'The catholicity of the Presbyterian Church appears in her one condition of church membership. She demands nothing whatever for admission to her fold except a confession, uncontradicted by life, of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The applicant is not asked to subscribe to our Standards or assent to our theology. He is not required to be a Calvinist, but only to be a Christian. He is not examined as to his orthodoxy, but only as to his "faith in and obedience unto Christ." (Conf. of Faith, 28:4). He may have imperfect notions about the Trinity and the Atonement; he may question ... election, and final perseverance; but if he trusts and obeys Christ as his personal Saviour and Lord, the door of the Presbyterian Church is open to him, and all the privileges of her communion are his. When churches prescribe conditions of membership other than the simple conditions of salvation, they are guilty of making it harder to get into the Church than into heaven. ...' (pp. 199, 200)." (pp. 354-360)


Profitable? Yes -- to see what the enemy is up to, so we can warn others of the hellish heresy of people like Boettner.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Marc

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