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(From Outside the Camp Vol. 5, No. 2)

The Irrelevant Gospel, Part 2

On May 31, 1997, professing Calvinist Robert Schuller interviewed Arminian Billy Graham on television. The following is a transcript of part of that interview that was obtained from an article by Robert E. Kofahl in the May-June issue of Foundation. (Outside the Camp does not endorse this magazine.) The reader is asked to compare the views of these unregenerate men to the views of C.C. Morris, whose article is reviewed in this issue of Outside the Camp. Morris would claim to abhor the teachings of Schuller and Graham and professes to hold uncompromisingly to the doctrines of grace. However, Morris, Schuller, and Graham are on the same road that leads to hell, as evidenced by the fact that all of them believe that there are regenerate persons who have never heard the gospel and thus have no idea who the true God is, who the true Christ is, and what the true Christ accomplished. This is tolerant Calvinism at its logical conclusion. If Arminians, who are ignorant of the true Christ and what He accomplished, are regenerate, then anyone, from Buddhists to Hindus to Muslims to Mormons to Roman Catholics to Jehovah's Witnesses to whatever, are regenerate. As Morris and the Primitive Baptists would say: as long as they fear God and work righteousness, they are regenerate, whether or not they believe the gospel.

Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer - you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for his name. And that's what God is doing today - he's calling people out of the world for his name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved and that they're going to be with us in heaven.

Schuller: What, what I hear you saying is that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?

Graham: Yes it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.

Schuller: I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

Graham: There is. There definitely is.


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